As The Times' 1/14/09 prevarication was "misleading" its audience across the world Amy
Goodman's 1/14/09 DemocracyNow was presenting an unimpeachable Israeli
source, Oxford University's Middle East authority, Professor Avi Shlaim:
- The world's leading authority, along with Norman Finkelstein, on the Arab Israeli conflict.
Amy Goodman 1/14/09:
Professor Shlaim, as you look at what's happening in Gaza from your
vantage point, well, many miles away in Britain, can you talk about the
kind of trajectory your evaluation has taken, where you started in your
thoughts about Israel and where you are now?
AVI SHLAIM:
As you mentioned, I did national service in the Israeli army in the
mid-1960s. And in those days, Israel was a small state surrounded by
enemies, and the nation was united in face of the surrounding Arab
states. We all felt total commitment to the state of Israel and to the
defense of the state of Israel. The Israeli army is called the Israel
Defense Forces, and it was true to its name.
But 1967, the
war of June 1967, was a major turning point in the history of Israel
and the history of the region. In the course of the war, Israel
captured the Golan Heights from Syria, the West Bank from Jordan and
Sinai from Egypt. After the war, Israel started building civilian
territories in the occupied territories in violation of international
law. So Israel became a colonial power and an imperial power.
And
I, for my part, have never questioned the legitimacy of the Zionist
movement. I saw it as the national liberation movement of the Jewish
people. Nor did I ever question the legitimacy of the state of Israel
within its pre-1967 borders. What I reject, what I reject totally,
absolutely and uncompromisingly, is the Zionist colonial project beyond
the 1967 borders. So we have to distinguish very clearly between Israel
proper, within its pre-1967 borders, and Greater Israel, which began to
emerge in the aftermath of the June '67 war and has completely derailed
the Zionist project.
AMY GOODMAN: And then,
specifically talk about Gaza, how it has developed and where it is
today, right now under assault by the Israeli military.
AVI SHLAIM:
In a long-term historical perspective, I would begin with the creation
of the state of Israel in 1948. I wrote a book, which you mentioned in
your introduction, called The Iron Wall: Israel and the Arab World.
It is a history of the Arab-Israeli conflict since 1948. It's a very
long book, but I can summarize it for you in one sentence, that
throughout its sixty years, Israel has been remarkably reluctant to
engage in meaningful negotiations with its Arab opponents to resolve
the dispute between them and only too ready to resort to military force
in order to impose its will upon them. And the current vicious Israeli
onslaught on the people of Gaza is the climax of this longstanding
Israeli policy of shunning diplomacy and relying on brute military
force.